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-AK
Here's a bit of info from Vanila Fudge drummer Carmen Appice, taken from a March 6th interview...

Rock N Roll Universe : You recently played with Vanilla Fudge for a tribute to The Doors, which is supposed to be aired on VH1 Classics ‘Decades Live’ show. That also features Pat Travers and The Doors Of The 21st Century, or DC 21. What was that like, and when is that scheduled to be aired?

Carmine Appice : Well, there’s a problem going on with that show. As you know, John Densmore is suing the Doors Of The 21st Century, and he won a judgement in the courts, when we were on tour in the middle of the Canadian tour, they wanted the band (The Doors) to stop touring. Which was really a drag because it was a three band Canadian tour and all three would have to stop touring. It effected many people working on and for the tour. Somehow we got through the whole tour thanks to our manager, Tom. The ‘Decades’ thing, is a tribute to The Doors, Densmore won’t sign off on the songs. So, it’s sort of in limbo, but I heard something that it might be out in April. But I had taken my own video camera, and I filmed some stuff. What an incredible show. We went up and played “You Keep Me Hangin’ On,” and “She’s Not There.” Plus we played “Love Her Madly,” which we totally changed to a Vanilla Fudge type of ballad. Really soulful and cool. The audience was going absolutely beserko. There were a couple of weird things. Mark Stein said he remembered playing the song on the SAME SHOW with the Doors at The Seattle Pop Festival, where Jim Morrison was five feet away, and he watched him play it. He said, “Maybe if we thought hard enough, we could get Jim’s spirit in the room.” When we started playing “Hanging On,” a bolt of lightning hit the building and knocked out the electricity. That was kind of weird. Then, it happened again, when we tried to redo it.

link to the full interview: http://www.rocknrolluniverse.com/rocknrolluniverse_385.htm
PeaceFrog2
Interesting.................great find AK! Wouldn't that be awesome!!

By the way, LOVE your avatar!!
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(-AK @ Apr 7 2006, 07:39 PM) *

Here's a bit of info from Vanila Fudge drummer Carmen Appice, taken from a March 6th interview...

Rock N Roll Universe : You recently played with Vanilla Fudge for a tribute to The Doors, which is supposed to be aired on VH1 Classics ‘Decades Live’ show. That also features Pat Travers and The Doors Of The 21st Century, or DC 21. What was that like, and when is that scheduled to be aired?

Carmine Appice : Well, there’s a problem going on with that show. As you know, John Densmore is suing the Doors Of The 21st Century, and he won a judgement in the courts, when we were on tour in the middle of the Canadian tour, they wanted the band (The Doors) to stop touring. Which was really a drag because it was a three band Canadian tour and all three would have to stop touring. It effected many people working on and for the tour. Somehow we got through the whole tour thanks to our manager, Tom. The ‘Decades’ thing, is a tribute to The Doors, Densmore won’t sign off on the songs. So, it’s sort of in limbo, but I heard something that it might be out in April. But I had taken my own video camera, and I filmed some stuff. What an incredible show. We went up and played “You Keep Me Hangin’ On,” and “She’s Not There.” Plus we played “Love Her Madly,” which we totally changed to a Vanilla Fudge type of ballad. Really soulful and cool. The audience was going absolutely beserko. There were a couple of weird things. Mark Stein said he remembered playing the song on the SAME SHOW with the Doors at The Seattle Pop Festival, where Jim Morrison was five feet away, and he watched him play it. He said, “Maybe if we thought hard enough, we could get Jim’s spirit in the room.” When we started playing “Hanging On,” a bolt of lightning hit the building and knocked out the electricity. That was kind of weird. Then, it happened again, when we tried to redo it.

link to the full interview: http://www.rocknrolluniverse.com/rocknrolluniverse_385.htm

wink.gif Wow AK,
Thank you so much for this great interview and information...................and I do hope and pray that we fans will someday get to see the best concert ever!!!

wink.gif Doors/Riders Sister,
M-B
Chicago Zo
Well with all this new controversy about no more US tour dates, it would be nice to see something from a live show.
Moorish Idol
interesting...
universalmind1123
i was jsut watching the HEART episode of decades rock live. it had jerry cantrell, dava navarro, and others. but man o man the production of the whole thing looked absolutely fantastic. awesome stage with cool lighting and displays. also, there were little interview dealies between songs with heart and the other performers...

and all i could see was IAN, ROBBY, RAY, TY, and PHIL up there with a bunch of admirers giving a great performance with cool interviews throughout and the whole controversy just re-angered (is that a word?) ALL OVER AGAIN.

we WILL see this one day, the finished product. if not on TV, then on DVD or elsewhere. i know it. somehting that looks that good ALWAYS makes it to the fans eventually. it's karma.
-AK
I caught the Heart one too. I was waiting for Cantrell to get on stage, but I just couldn't sit through that much Heart so I turned it off.

The production values were really bitchin and I was doing the same thing you were doing- just picturing the Doors on the stage.

Hope the Doors show gets out someday
Shep
I video'd much of this show on my camera phone, unfortunately that phone crashed and all was lost a few months back, what an incredible time it was. Met some cool people there! laugh.gif Such a bummer it never aired.
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(Shep @ May 31 2006, 11:56 PM) *

I video'd much of this show on my camera phone, unfortunately that phone crashed and all was lost a few months back, what an incredible time it was. Met some cool people there! laugh.gif Such a bummer it never aired.

sad.gif too bad your phone crashed (maybe it's good for you though...you might have gotten sued for capturing one of "The Best Concerts Ever" rolleyes.gif ) I was there also at that concert...it was a once in a lifetime expierence.
The production and sound was awesome...one can only hope that one of these days it will air.
Peace,
A Doors/Cult Sister,
M-B
universalmind1123
QUOTE(-AK @ May 31 2006, 09:36 PM) *

I caught the Heart one too. I was waiting for Cantrell to get on stage, but I just couldn't sit through that much Heart so I turned it off.

The production values were really bitchin and I was doing the same thing you were doing- just picturing the Doors on the stage.

Hope the Doors show gets out someday


cantrell was good, but the performance of 'rooster' sounded weird with the chick from heart barely squeezing out a few notes here and there, while mainly standing around awkwardly while the guys took care of the main vocals.
Shep
I wasn't impressed with the new singer for Chains. It seemed a little forced and out of place. I saw Cantrell a few years back in Pittsburgh shortly after Layne died and he had a guy who really seemed to fit their sound without imitating Layne. Guess they can't all have an Ian Astubury~ cool.gif
universalmind1123
QUOTE(Shep @ Jun 1 2006, 10:29 AM) *

I wasn't impressed with the new singer for Chains. It seemed a little forced and out of place. I saw Cantrell a few years back in Pittsburgh shortly after Layne died and he had a guy who really seemed to fit their sound without imitating Layne. Guess they can't all have an Ian Astubury~ cool.gif


that's for damn sure
Shep
With all due respect I misspelled Ian's last name Astbury!

Terrible speller and terrible typist!

Peace!
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(Shep @ Jun 2 2006, 01:29 AM) *

With all due respect I misspelled Ian's last name Astbury!

Terrible speller and terrible typist!

Peace!

biggrin.gif ah, we forgive you...how ever you spell Ian last name he still is awesome and is one hell of a great singer.............Jim would be proud of the job Ian Astbury does with his words and what a wonderful frontman.......full of talent, energy and emotion...I really don't feel anybody else would ever do Jim the proper justice that only Ian can do......you are awesome Ian Astbury...Rock On!!!
Peace,
M-B
PeaceFrog2
QUOTE(-AK @ Apr 7 2006, 06:39 PM) *

Here's a bit of info from Vanila Fudge drummer Carmen Appice, taken from a March 6th interview...

Rock N Roll Universe : You recently played with Vanilla Fudge for a tribute to The Doors, which is supposed to be aired on VH1 Classics ‘Decades Live’ show. That also features Pat Travers and The Doors Of The 21st Century, or DC 21. What was that like, and when is that scheduled to be aired?

Carmine Appice : Well, there’s a problem going on with that show. As you know, John Densmore is suing the Doors Of The 21st Century, and he won a judgement in the courts, when we were on tour in the middle of the Canadian tour, they wanted the band (The Doors) to stop touring. Which was really a drag because it was a three band Canadian tour and all three would have to stop touring. It effected many people working on and for the tour. Somehow we got through the whole tour thanks to our manager, Tom. The ‘Decades’ thing, is a tribute to The Doors, Densmore won’t sign off on the songs. So, it’s sort of in limbo, but I heard something that it might be out in April. But I had taken my own video camera, and I filmed some stuff. What an incredible show. We went up and played “You Keep Me Hangin’ On,” and “She’s Not There.” Plus we played “Love Her Madly,” which we totally changed to a Vanilla Fudge type of ballad. Really soulful and cool. The audience was going absolutely beserko. There were a couple of weird things. Mark Stein said he remembered playing the song on the SAME SHOW with the Doors at The Seattle Pop Festival, where Jim Morrison was five feet away, and he watched him play it. He said, “Maybe if we thought hard enough, we could get Jim’s spirit in the room.” When we started playing “Hanging On,” a bolt of lightning hit the building and knocked out the electricity. That was kind of weird. Then, it happened again, when we tried to redo it.

link to the full interview: http://www.rocknrolluniverse.com/rocknrolluniverse_385.htm


Bummer, April's long gone sad.gif
Jimbo
well VH1 says it will air eventually
billyd
great work AK! very kool avatar...
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Moorish Idol
at least he could've added some hair too laugh.gif
PeaceFrog2
Speaking of VH1, did anyone catch the Pearl Jam - I think it was "Behind the Music"?
universalmind1123
QUOTE(PeaceFrog2 @ Jul 31 2006, 02:54 PM) *

Speaking of VH1, did anyone catch the Pearl Jam - I think it was "Behind the Music"?


it was "storytellers." pretty cool. i saw PJ with tom petty at summerfest in milwaukee last month. one of the absolute greatest shows i've ever seen. mind-blowing.
PeaceFrog2
QUOTE(universalmind1123 @ Jul 31 2006, 10:39 PM) *

it was "storytellers." pretty cool. i saw PJ with tom petty at summerfest in milwaukee last month. one of the absolute greatest shows i've ever seen. mind-blowing.


I love Pearl Jam, and I'm glad to see them doing well! I think it's great how some of the more "mature" bands are making comebacks (not that they've all really gone anywhere, just nice to see them back in the public eye and doing live shows)- and how the young kids today love them like they are something new.
A student of mine went to see Journey and Def Lepard a few weeks ago. It's awesome to see how the older and not so old bands have such an impact on the younger kids. Kinda like the Doors do. Which in a round about way speaks of the importance of Riders on the Storm. Young kids can only buy so many albums, ya know? There's nothing like a live performance!

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universalmind1123
QUOTE(PeaceFrog2 @ Aug 4 2006, 05:19 PM) *

I love Pearl Jam, and I'm glad to see them doing well! I think it's great how some of the more "mature" bands are making comebacks (not that they've all really gone anywhere, just nice to see them back in the public eye and doing live shows)- and how the young kids today love them like they are something new.
A student of mine went to see Journey and Def Lepard a few weeks ago. It's awesome to see how the older and not so old bands have such an impact on the younger kids. Kinda like the Doors do. Which in a round about way speaks of the importance of Riders on the Storm. Young kids can only buy so many albums, ya know? There's nothing like a live performance!

smile.gif


well said. cool.gif
universalmind1123
jampol, in response to a question regarding whether or not there is/will be any positive news about it airing:

"I have no idea, as it was never a management issue, but rather a synch licensing issue between the Estates, Densmore and ROTS - but I believe this is a dead issue long since past."
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(universalmind1123 @ Aug 5 2006, 03:40 PM) *

jampol, in response to a question regarding whether or not there is/will be any positive news about it airing:

"I have no idea, as it was never a management issue, but rather a synch licensing issue between the Estates, Densmore and ROTS - but I believe this is a dead issue long since past."

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Jimbo
That's not true...Vh1 wants to air this show, and Ray and Robby have appealed the court ruling so dead? no
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(Jimbo @ Aug 5 2006, 05:07 PM) *

That's not true...Vh1 wants to air this show, and Ray and Robby have appealed the court ruling so dead? no

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jim4371
The Estates and John either give permission or they don't, the appeal wouldn't stop anything.
Jimbo
well VH1 says it will air in time, maybe portions of it? Who Do You Love, Back Door Man, Alabama Song, War, are all covers afterall. By the way, today's the one night anniversairy of that magical evening
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(Jimbo @ Aug 5 2006, 07:12 PM) *

well VH1 says it will air in time, maybe portions of it? Who Do You Love, Back Door Man, Alabama Song, War, are all covers afterall. By the way, today's the one night anniversairy of that magical evening

biggrin.gif rolleyes.gif I just returned Jimbo from a one year Anniversary Celebration that me and my husband just had.....of "The Doors and VH1 Decades Rock Live" yes...it was a very magical evening!!! I am so glad that we had the chance to witness and be apart of it......very privilaged indeed!
cool.gif Peace,
M-B
Lovin it...all night long!
-AK
Air the damn show. I'm tired of seeing the Heart and Elvis Costello episodes!

I can't blame John though. I'd feel bummed out if I opted out of a kick ass band that over a million people have enjoyed all over the world.
Jimbo
QUOTE(-AK @ Aug 8 2006, 10:48 PM) *

Air the damn show. I'm tired of seeing the Heart and Elvis Costello episodes!

I can't blame John though. I'd feel bummed out if I opted out of a kick ass band that over a million people have enjoyed all over the world.

banned!




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Jimbo
http://www.decadesrocklive.com/commercials/

Scroll down and you can watch the commerical used to promote the D21C concert
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(Jimbo @ Aug 8 2006, 11:15 PM) *

http://www.decadesrocklive.com/commercials/

Scroll down and you can watch the commerical used to promote the D21C concert

biggrin.gif tongue.gif wink.gif VERY nice find...Jimbo.....thanks for sharring it with us...........for all of us who was privilaged to be there this is prooff that we all didn't have a mass hallucination that fine night.
Keep up the great work of providing and finding the truth for us all to share in this legacy called "The Doors"
I am very proud of you!
wink.gif Peace,
M-B
PeaceFrog2
QUOTE(jim4371 @ Aug 5 2006, 04:54 PM) *

The Estates and John either give permission or they don't, the appeal wouldn't stop anything.



Just asking because I'm not sure - but why not? Wouldn't the appeal change the ruling and allow them to play as some group with the word "The Doors" in the title?? My understanding of this is that anyone can play Doors songs - just this group couldn't use "The Doors" in their title. So, if that's overturned, wouldn't it then be acceptable??

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Mary-Beth
QUOTE(PeaceFrog2 @ Aug 10 2006, 01:52 AM) *

Just asking because I'm not sure, and I'm not trying to stir up trouble - but why not? Wouldn't the ruling allow them to play as some group with the word "The Doors" in the title, so then it would be o.k.?? My understanding of this is that anyone can play Doors songs - just this group couldn't use "The Doors" in their title. So, if that's overturned, wouldn't it then be acceptable??

blink.gif blink.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif

Hi there PeaceFrog2,
I would like to take this time to welcome you to the boards...I have seen you around for awhile....and i am so sorry that i am just catching up to say welcome and Hi...glad to have you here....it a whole convoluded story of why Riders On The Storm /D21C's "the Doors VH1 Decades Rock Live...Primear show canNOT be shown......it was suppose to be shown on October 8th, 2005...but NEVER as of yet hit the air waves........will sombody please take over for me and continue this unbelievable saga.....as I just can't continue........I am yet again overwhelmed with the bizarre facts..........sorry......
Peace,
rolleyes.gif M-B
jim4371
QUOTE(PeaceFrog2 @ Aug 10 2006, 12:52 AM) *

Just asking because I'm not sure - but why not? Wouldn't the appeal change the ruling and allow them to play as some group with the word "The Doors" in the title?? My understanding of this is that anyone can play Doors songs - just this group couldn't use "The Doors" in their title. So, if that's overturned, wouldn't it then be acceptable??

blink.gif blink.gif unsure.gif unsure.gif

He and the estates still don't have to allow them to use the songs.
PeaceFrog2
QUOTE(jim4371 @ Aug 11 2006, 10:26 AM) *

He and the estates still don't have to allow them to use the songs.


"Allow" them how? Live or recorded? Just wondering why I could perform LMF live, but they can't? Or is it because it was "recorded"??
PK The First
QUOTE(PeaceFrog2 @ Sep 29 2006, 01:42 AM) *

"Allow" them how? Live or recorded? Just wondering why I could perform LMF live, but they can't? Or is it because it was "recorded"??


Don't know if you've heard of them (because I hadn't until this mess came along); there's something called a 'sync licence' which licenses musicians or in this case VH1 to synchronise the sound and the image of a band performing. VH1 needs a sync licence from The Doors as the songs in question are The Doors' songs. The Doors of course = Jim, Ray, Robby John. John will not grant his authorisation for a sync licence, because Ray and Robby did a terrible thing. After having founded The Doors, played in The Doors, written and produced The Doors' music, they decided to use the words 'The Doors' to advertise a concert where they played these songs they helped to create, write, choreograph and perform back in the 60's and 70's. Those irresponsible bastards! biggrin.gif

Until John provides his authorisation, then no movement on the VH1 show, as well as a DVD from an apparently amazing concert in Argentina, again because the band name, 'The Doors of the 21st Century,' which is what the band were called at the time, had the words 'The Doors' in it.

Any set of musicans can use the words 'The Doors' in their band name if they so decide. Except two. Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger, because they were actually part of The Doors. It's sick!

John Densmore, whose integrity I don't doubt, has nonetheless managed to do the unbelievable - he has stopped live music from being heard. The worst possible outcome from misguided liberal roots - fascism. Incidental, accidental fascism. But still fascism.

PK cool.gif

Hope that helps Mary-Beth - it pisses me off just to write it all down again too! Don't get me wrong, I'm glad people are still asking, but it drives me nuts - this crazy situation. The Doors will never know what it is like NOT to be persecuted. But now it's Doors persecuting Doors. Sickening.
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(PK The First @ Sep 29 2006, 11:31 AM) *

Don't know if you've heard of them (because I hadn't until this mess came along); there's something called a 'sync licence' which licenses musicians or in this case VH1 to synchronise the sound and the image of a band performing. VH1 needs a sync licence from The Doors as the songs in question are The Doors' songs. The Doors of course = Jim, Ray, Robby John. John will not grant his authorisation for a sync licence, because Ray and Robby did a terrible thing. After having founded The Doors, played in The Doors, written and produced The Doors' music, they decided to use the words 'The Doors' to advertise a concert where they played these songs they helped to create, write, choreograph and perform back in the 60's and 70's. Those irresponsible bastards! biggrin.gif

Until John provides his authorisation, then no movement on the VH1 show, as well as a DVD from an apparently amazing concert in Argentina, again because the band name, 'The Doors of the 21st Century,' which is what the band were called at the time, had the words 'The Doors' in it.

Any set of musicans can use the words 'The Doors' in their band name if they so decide. Except two. Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger, because they were actually part of The Doors. It's sick!

John Densmore, whose integrity I don't doubt, has nonetheless managed to do the unbelievable - he has stopped live music from being heard. The worst possible outcome from misguided liberal roots - fascism. Incidental, accidental fascism. But still fascism.

PK cool.gif

Hope that helps Mary-Beth - it pisses me off just to write it all down again too! Don't get me wrong, I'm glad people are still asking, but it drives me nuts - this crazy situation. The Doors will never know what it is like NOT to be persecuted. But now it's Doors persecuting Doors. Sickening.

biggrin.gif Hi PK,
So very nice to see you here again...always such a pleasure...and you are so very articulate and informative with your responses...thank-you so much for setting the record straight..yet once again and answering this kind gentlemens question. wink.gif
rolleyes.gif
Peace,
M-B
nyc3
I was super upset that this didnt air on vh1, but when i stayed at the taj about 2 weeks ago i seen this on tv which made me smile with a few great memories of that night. sorry the audio is low maybe next time i am down there i can get a better clip. i recorded/uploaded this thinking of this topic right here heh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtnYStHr7Y


also note this was all they played, it played in a loop with other acts.
Jimbo
QUOTE(nyc3 @ Oct 1 2006, 02:21 AM) *

I was super upset that this didnt air on vh1, but when i stayed at the taj about 2 weeks ago i seen this on tv which made me smile with a few great memories of that night. sorry the audio is low maybe next time i am down there i can get a better clip. i recorded/uploaded this thinking of this topic right here heh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtnYStHr7Y
also note this was all they played, it played in a loop with other acts.

It may have been short, the quality may not have been great, but thats an amazing contribution for all of us. Thankyou very very much for that
nyc3
QUOTE(Jimbo @ Oct 1 2006, 02:58 PM) *

It may have been short, the quality may not have been great, but thats an amazing contribution for all of us. Thankyou very very much for that

next time i am down there i will see about ripping it correctly with my laptop, but as of now this is what we goot *shrugs* =) and you are very welcome

if anyone is staying at the trump taj mahal they play this in a loop on the taj station on the tv.
ravenwing
NOT this mess again ..... I dont care I am going to vent on this, John is an asshole but he has the right to do it... but Jim would have wanted it to be in VH1! Evan though Jim's work is on Vh1 classic it need more then what there. (the song was love me two times)
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(nyc3 @ Oct 1 2006, 02:21 AM) *

I was super upset that this didnt air on vh1, but when i stayed at the taj about 2 weeks ago i seen this on tv which made me smile with a few great memories of that night. sorry the audio is low maybe next time i am down there i can get a better clip. i recorded/uploaded this thinking of this topic right here heh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtnYStHr7Y
also note this was all they played, it played in a loop with other acts.

biggrin.gif
Mary-Beth
QUOTE(nyc3 @ Oct 1 2006, 02:21 AM) *

I was super upset that this didnt air on vh1, but when i stayed at the taj about 2 weeks ago i seen this on tv which made me smile with a few great memories of that night. sorry the audio is low maybe next time i am down there i can get a better clip. i recorded/uploaded this thinking of this topic right here heh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtnYStHr7Y
also note this was all they played, it played in a loop with other acts.

biggrin.gif rolleyes.gif smile.gif wink.gif ahh...the memories.....thank-you!
cool.gif Peace,
M-B
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